BC Randonneurs Spring Islander 200K

3 04 2011

My bike at the start...

I got up at 5am yesterday to get to the BC Randonneurs Spring Islander 200K start for 630hrs. My stuff was already packed and my clothes laid out so all I needed to do was ingest some food and as much tea as I could manage before riding off into what was left of the night. Things began poorly when I managed to reset my bike computer halfway to the start. I lost everything, but the only bit of info I really cared about was how far one revolution of my front tire was in mm. Luckily I had that in my head and I then only had to relearn how to program the damn computer in dark with time ticking away before the ride started. After much trial and error I figured out what the 3 unmarked tiny buttons under the computer did and got myself back in motion. I verified I had the right roll out value by comparing my GPS speed to my bike computer – all was good. Thanks the Rando Gods I started early.

It was nice to see a whole pile of rando rigs parked outside the Mohka House coffee shop and even better to get myself another cup of hot tea after registering for the ride.

Signing in...

I got to meet the famous Ken Bonner uber-rando in person after reading about his exploits online and exchanging a few emails with him. Naturally that was the last time I saw him on the ride…=-) I also got to meet a few folks from the previous weekend’s Victoria Populaire.

Just before the 7am start...

We set off in a big group at 7am. I hung back to stay away from any funky riding and to warm up the legs. My GPS was programmed in 3 legs both to accomodate its pathetic number of route points and because it didn’t like the MUPs that formed a big part of today’s ride. The first leg got us to the Galloping Goose MUP for the long ~50km run to Sooke BC. I had folks to follow through the many turns in southern Victoria, but it was good to see the GPS working as it should. I love early morning riding on quiet streets. Everything is peaceful and the drivers that are up seem to be the kinder gentler variety.

The previous day had seen heavy all day rain so I was happy to have dry cool conditions to start the ride and clear skies. We passed the turn off to my house and I thought briefly about my warm bed! Although I am lazy by nature riding a bike on a nice morning with some fine folks is a worthy adventure to get me out of bed and rolling along.

Unlike the populaire the group’s bike handling skills was much better and nobody did anything funky as we rode up the Goose and out of Victoria. There were lots of cool bikes to look at some I did some geeking out and compared various setups to my own bike. The  Galloping Goose MUP is great, but it has three problems:

  1. a ton of bollards [posts] at each road crossing to stop vehicles from driving down the MUP. Problem is they are 3′ high so if you aren’t the first cyclist in a group they are blocked from your view until the last second.
  2. a ton of road crossings early on. In fact I really divide the Goose into 3 sections 1) downtown to just north of my place [no road crossings], 2) from the junction of the Lockside Trail to about 25km from Sooke [many crossings] and 3) the last 25kms into Sooke [no crossings]. The first and last sections are super fun to ride while the middle section varies between tedious and dangerous.
  3. just north of my place the Goose turns to dirt/gravel for the 40kms or so run to Sooke and offers 3-4 very steep gullies that have to be bombed down [usually onto a wooden deck bridge] and then climbed back out. I don’t mind the dirt on 42mm tires, but the gullies need some care and an honest assessment of your bike handling skills.

First control in Sooke - the Rock Beach Grill...

We had a little drama on the Goose when a rider who was scanning for cars as he approached a road crossing didn’t see a bollard until he was on top of it. He managed to throw his bike sideways out of harms way, but I was right behind him and it looked to me like he hit the post square in the “man bits”….8-(. The impact stopped him dead and I skidded to a stop figuring we needed to arrange for evacuation, but he climbed right back aboard his bike and carried on. I was impressed!

I really enjoyed the ride out to Sooke on the dirt. My tires gripped the damp soil well and my fenders protected me from splashes when we rode through puddles. I also learned that my fat rubber threw up a lot of water when riding through really deep water so it was best to level off pedals or the lower foot would get wet. We cruised along quite fast on what I would later realize was a slight downhill most of the way. The sun was out. There was no traffic on the MUP. Not much more you could ask for really…=-)

I had turned my GPS off for this part of ride as it wouldn’t route me along the MUP, but I turned it on as we got to Sooke and I recalled a bit of confusing road crossings from the pre-ride report. Together this stopped our band of 4 riders from taking the wrong turn and I became the defacto navigator through the many turns on the way to the first control. I had another bike computer “glitch” at this point. The whole computer is a button and I must have touched it as I rode because it switched from Trip 1 Distance to ODO. since I had just reset the computer on the way to the start the difference was only 2kms which didn’t look wrong, but totally screwed up my cue sheet directions. Since the GPS was on target I followed it and realized what my problem was after about 10mins of confusion.

We rolled up to the first control, the Rock Beach Grill, where they kindly signed our control cards. I hadn’t eaten anything to this point in the ride [~65km] so I drank a chocolate milk, ate part of a sandwich and gobbled carbo blocks. Two of our group left early while I waited for Geoff [the guy sitting in photo above]. I felt a bit bad for Geoff as he was the stronger rider, but I had a GPS and cue sheet on my bar bag so we both had something to offer and we ended up riding all the way to the finish together.

Geoff gets a flat...

Although the ride back down the Goose was slightly uphill most of the way and there was more civilian traffic on the MUP it was still very enjoyable. The skies were clear and I preferred riding with just one other person so we could stop and adjust pace as needed without feeling like you were screwing up the group’s pace too much. Geoff got a flat and I was able to contribute my frame pump to get his tire back up to pressure. I also used the opportunity to eat, drink and take a bathroom break. I was fairly good on this ride in terms of eating at every stop even when I didn’t feel like it as well as using each stop for as many things as possible.

We rode this leg without GPS for the same reason as above. When we got back to Victoria we turned north on the Lochside Trail [another populaire MUP that heads to Sidney BC]. The rain started at this point and lasted for ~30mins. I pulled out just my rain jacket and stayed warm and comfortable. When the showers ended I threw it back in my bag and the rest of me [wool & fleece] dried out quickly in the sun and moving air. Sadly our most excellent adventure took a wrong turn on the way to Sidney – literally! I hit a low spot in my energy cycle and was trying to catch up to Geoff. In my haste I assumed we rode the Lochside Trail all the way to Sidney when in fact we rode the Lockside Trail almost all the way to Sidney. We realized our error when we saw the dreaded “turn right onto Lochside Trail” at the distance on my bike computer – seeing as we were already on the Lochside Trail something had gone wrong. We retraced our steps and 8kms of bonus riding later we were back on track. Now 8kms isn’t fatal for bonus distance, but that’s about 30mins of ride time including the figuring out what went wrong bit and 30mins at the end of a long ride is hard on the morale.

Happily we had our next control just ahead in Sidney [~140kms] and we stopped at Serious Coffee for a snack and some fluids. We ran into a few fellow riders there so our detour hadn’t put us too far back in the pack. Most longer rides in the Victoria area end up at Sidney simply because we live on a peninsula so there are a limited number of roads to use and Sidney is a nice place to stop and resupply. I like Sidney for two reasons 1) the resupplying and 2) the fact it generally means we are turning back towards home. Psychologically it’s great for morale to know you are done riding away from home and now every pedal stroke is taking you closer to a shower, a hot meal and your loved ones! As a bonus the ride from Sidney was along the scenic westside of the Saanich Peninsula.

Geoff and I at the secret control...

I’ll break the ride down the peninsula into two parts:

  1. the fun warm ramble part [~30kms]
  2. the cold deluge death march part [~40kms]

The observant reader will have noticed that if the Sidney control was at around 140kms and the ride was 200kms long than the rest of the ride should have been 60kms. Very true – well this is where the 8 bonus kms come into play and the fact that the route was actually 202kms. Again in general an extra 10kms is not a big deal, but when you are in death march mode 10kms is like F-O-R-E-V-E-R!

So we had a fun warm ramble through some nice quiet rural neighbourhoods. We ran into the secret control [photo above] and had a snack. Then just as civilization started to build again we took a short break so I could buy fresh batteries for my GPS and Geoff could scavenge some oil for his squeaky chain from some empty oil cans at a gas station. My GPS had started the day at 75% charge. With a 24hrs operating time and having shut it off for at least 4 of the previous 8hrs there should have been lots of power left, but once again my GPS lets the team down – sadly not for the last time on this ride.

I was getting a bit tired at this point, but my constant eating seemed to be working to make me feel much better than the end of the 100K populaire. I guess the Rando Gods figured I needed a challenge – so they made it rain – a lot.

I hate both battery powered devices...

I will admit I made a bad choice that could have made this last leg less heinous, but for the love of God can I not get this GPS to actually follow the route I want to ride?…=-(

I should have put my rain gear on at the start of the deluge, but I was trying to be optimistic and wanted to believe it would be short lived like the rain earlier in the day. I also hoped that my wool clothing would do the trick for the short run to the finish – of course I had conveniently forgotten our bonus mileage. So I got soaked and then cold and then soaked some more. At that point I figure what was the point in putting on rain gear as I couldn’t get any wetter? Well it would have kept me warm for one thing.

Adding to the horror was the fact that our bonus mileage meant that I had to do some math every time I read the cue sheet. Not a big deal except for the fact I was cold, tired and the plastic covering the cue sheet was nearly impossible to read in the heavy rain. At least I had my GPS to fall back on right? Wrong – this is about the point when my GPS decided to go it’s own way on a route that wasn’t even close to the one I needed to stay on. *sigh*

Luckily I didn’t pass one of those e-waste depots or I would have dropped off both my bike computer and GPS!

Defeat wasn’t in our vocabulary so we marched on. Pathetically looking for street names that seemed correct. Geoff knew the area we were in and was able to figure out our route based on street names I yelled out between sobs. Luckily with the heavy rain he couldn’t see my tears…=-)

Finally the GPS decided it wanted to help out again and got us through a section of really heavy rain that I could barely keep pedaling through I was so cold and morale was pitifully low.

It was at this point a couple catches up to us. Sees I have a GPS and the wife says to the husband “…ah he has a GPS hopefully he’s on the correct route..” So she rides up to me and asks in a critical tone “…do you know where you are going?…” If I had had a bit more energy I would have replied sarcastically “…no we are just taking random turns until we get to 200kms and then we’ll ride to the finish and get our cards signed!..” If you want to follow someone on a brevet and use their navigational skills/equipment have the good manners to either get behind them and shut up or go your own way. It is pretty much a given that people are following what they think is the correct route and if they aren’t they don’t know it – so there is little point is asking. Besides if you are so confused you can’t tell if you are on the route or not what difference does it make – your not going to get more lost…=-)~

I needed to stop and eat something so we let the couple head on down the road and navigate the route for themselves.

The rain stopped for the last 10kms which was nice so I guess things were getting too easy again. No problem – my GPS went off on an erroneous detour so we were back to the wet cue sheet. The run to the finish was both happy knowing we’d be warm soon and crazy hard because of our long day in the saddle. We passed very close to Geoff’s home which was severely tempting, but we managed to resist. Finally we spotted the Mohka House a few blocks away and zoomed to the finish! I go to the Mohka House a fair bit, but I’ve never been so darn happy to see it…=-)

Route Map - click image for cue sheet...

Ride Stats:

  • distance ridden 210kms
  • time on the bike 9:07hrs
  • total ride time 10:28hrs
  • time off bike 1:21hrs
  • avg speed on bike 23kph
  • number of times I nearly threw GPS into ditch = 2

Luckily I checked my bike computer right after the ride as somehow it got reset between Mohka House and home. Cateye seriously what was wrong with actual buttons on a bike computer? I never lost data or reset my older Cateye units and I was never too tired on a ride to operate a button!

The Good:

  • I am eating well
  • I felt better at end of 200K than at end of previous 100K
  • I’m learning to read a cue sheet well
  • Planet Bike Superflash handled extended heavy rain fine
  • bike is working well
  • slightly lower bars with slight rotation up is very comfy as are new brake lever hoods
  • new mirror position is better [glad I tried it]
  • brand new SA saddle was comfortable
  • nice to have company on ride
  • beautiful route
  • ham & turkey sandwich I packed was rocking
  • cinnamon bun I packed was even more rocking!

The Bad

  • SA saddle needed 2 tension adjustments during ride [I think frame is bending]
  • GPS routing poorly
  • need to pay closer attention to cue sheet to avoid bonus kms
  • I need to get a grip and put on my rain gear earlier
  • Cateye Bike computer one touch button sucks [I may install older version with actual buttons]

Photo - Jim Runkel...click on image for more...

Up Next

  • Tour de Cowichan Valley 200K April 9
  • clean and lube chain
  • look at GPS route to see if problems were my fault of GPS’ fault
  • research another GPS!
  • start with fresh GPS batteries and bring an extra set
  • dig out an older Cateye bike computer and consider swapping it in

Update 1: I checked the GPS track provided on the BC Rando ride page and it was not correct which means the GPS was doing the right thing when it was sending me off route. I’ll need to do a turn by turn verification of any GPS info provided for a ride as the cue sheet is understood to be the only “legal” document when it comes to determining what the actual route is. My bad!

Update 2: There are some photos from the ride here, the ride results here and organizer’s ride report here.

Update 3: my GPS isn’t the only one doing goofy things!

Photo: Jim Runkel...click on image for more...

Photo: Jim Runkel

Congrats to Nathan [above] and Jessie [below] for great first rides…=-) Read the ride report for more details.

Photo: Jim Runkel


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20 responses

3 04 2011
Mike Croy

Hey Vik!
Way to go on finishing the ride, it sounded like it was battle of wills for almost everyone. My wife and our friend packed in due to near hypothermia conditions for them.
I agree with the sentiments about your cateye computer as I have one on my commuter bike and hate it with much passion also.

See next weekend in Chemainus.

Cheers

Mike Croy

3 04 2011
thelazyrando

Thanks Mike…sorry to hear about your wife, but I can fully sympathize. When I got home I had a 15min long hot shower and shivered under an electric blanket for 2hrs. I was cold to the bone.

Had we not been so close to the end it would have been a DNF for sure.

3 04 2011
GR

A pleasure to ride with you Vik!! Nice job on the write up as well. You did great, I never even knew we were lost ;-)

4 04 2011
Dave C

I’m not a randonneur, the thought of ultra long distances blows me away, but I am a cycle tourist. I rode through many of those very areas last year and your writing allowed me to go back to those moments, knowing pretty much exactly where you were going without having to revert to the GPX Track Map you provided. Thanks for the flashback – The island is a great place to ride.

4 04 2011
mike

Well done Vik. Death marches – they happen. One thing I know for sure – at some point in the ride I’m going to be feeling unstoppable (usually when sipping coffee @ a control) – and elsewhere I’m going to feel miserable. The only thing I can count on is change – terrain, mood, energy levels, etc. Sticking it out is about the only sensible thing to do.

About the Selle – I was never able to get comfy on mine. Yes, out of the box and sitting on it – super comfortable. Actual use on the road… not so much. I always felt as if I was being robbed of power. Played with saddle height, tension, etc… eventually sold it.

I’ve gone back to my Brooks Swallow on the IF, and my B17 on my other ride. I even found that a cheap WTB SpeedV is comfortable on the Puglsey for road duty! Strange…

And yes, turn your blinkie to steady, please. The ice is nearly off our local MUP here in VT – and this morning I encountered my first ‘super commuters’ – full on lights and blinkies and eye searing day glo clothing. I know safety is relative to ones experience – but logically there is little need to have a front blinky on the MUP…

4 04 2011
thelazyrando

@Mike – I love the SA for comfort, but we are all different. I’m going to break in a Brooks B17 narrow imperial version so I have an option that I know won’t let me down in the course of 5 rides.

I’ll hold out hope the SA stops stretching/bending, but only time will tell.

BTW – you are expecting logic and cycling safety to co-exist? That’s crazy talk!…;-)~

4 04 2011
thelazyrando

@GR – thanks for the morale support and waiting for me. You had the legs for a much faster ride!

4 04 2011
Goon

The tension screw on the SA saddle is infamous for detensioning. I doubt it is a frame sag issue. Good thing it takes a hex wrench, and not a special open box wrench like the Brooks’.

I like the saddle (mostly I ride B17’s but the SA is a nice alternative sometimes), but am still searching for a remedy for the tension. Try applying beeswax or loctite to the threads.

Lots of good lessons from the brevet. Always, always be prepared to ride with the cuesheet handed out at the start. Add whatever layers you have (plastic bags over feet and chest, if necessary) if you are wet and cold.

Respectfully, I don’t think it’s quite so stupid to ask other randonneurs about their confidence in the route, although perhaps it could be done more tactfully. Every randonneur is responsible for finding their own way, but it is useful to know if it is a good idea to place your trust in someone. Some are lost in a foreign land, and others are local and are intimately familiar with the route. The question is not a dumb one, but perhaps there is no smart way to ask it of a chilled, soaked, hypoglycemic randonneur. I can usually answer the question myself by observing the rider for a couple of miles.

4 04 2011
thelazyrando

@Goon – thanks for the feedback on the SA I’ll keep that in mind and if it’s just the bolt detensioning that’s not overly tragic as I can adjust it a few times in a ride and be okay with that given the comfort.

And you are correct that asking politely how confident someone is in their navigation isn’t a stupid question. However, utilizing a polite tone woud be nice. And more to the point presumably you caught up to the person whose navigational skills you are interested in because you followed the route that far so you should have some idea where things are headed and you should be able to tell if you are going the right way. If you absolutely have no clue what’s going on in terms of the route I’d suggest you should just shut up and get behind the person with the GPS because they can’t be any more confused than you are!…=-)

I followed people at several points of the ride and let them navigate, but I kept using my cue sheet to confirm we were on the route. I didn’t ask them if they knew what they were doing because it just doesn’t make sense for people to motor along in the wrong direction if they are in doubt and if they are wrong, but have no clue they can’t answer the question for you usefully in any case. Your point about watching people for a while is spot on – you can’t necessarily tell if they are on the right route, but you can tell how confident they are in their navigation.

At one point the guys in front of me took a wrong turn and I was able to yell out to them since I had been keeping an eye on the cue sheet even though I was behind them.

4 04 2011
Ben

I understand what you’re saying about using a polite tone, but it’s easy to lose control of your tone when you’ve ridden 170 km and it’s raining, or to misinterpret someone else’s tone after having ridden the same distance.

Ultimately, everyone’s responsible for their own navigation. Navigation is a part of randonneuring, and it’s a part that I enjoy. We can cooperate and we can yell ahead to people when we see them making wrong turns, but any wrong turn a rider makes is his or her own responsibility. I’d never blindly follow someone unless I knew who that person was and was confident in their knowledge of the course. I’ve seen a lot of veteran randos make wrong turns out of over-confidence or because they are retracing the route of a similar but different brevet. If you’re in a pack, the best thing to do is what you did — keep an eye on the routesheet.

I have to tension my Selle Anatomica periodically. Sometimes I don’t need to tension it for 1000 km, and sometimes I need to touch it up twice in the same ride. My ass always tells me when it needs to be done, and I find it’s a small price to pay for the comfort I get when it’s properly tensioned.

4 04 2011
thelazyrando

@Ben – when you have to tension your SA are you continually using up tension adjustment on the bolt or is it loosening and you are simply retightening it back to where it was?

I hear you and Goon on the issue of “tone” and I criticize the words/action not the people as I am sure they are fine folks and I’ll be happy to ride with them at some point in the future.

As you note it’s easy to say something in a way you didn’t intend when you are tired/cold and it’s easy to get pissed off when you are tired/cold. I’m embracing my part of that equation and being honest about how I felt without suggesting a mortal sin was committed…=-)

4 04 2011
alang

DBD – Death Before Dishonor – sounds like it was one of ‘those’ rides

GPS – as I have mentioned, i have a similar unit. I don’t use the on-road nav, i use the off-road. it just gives me NESW directions, which i don’t care that much about. i can see the route and see my position. i can also have a route that is up-to 250 points. now this has also caused some issues. it can be vague in a lot of twisty mnt roads. i am splitting my routes up into legs now – about 4-6 legs per 100mi seems about the norm. that’s tedious, but it seems to be working. interested in seeing what you go with here – i’d love something that doesn’t have all the point constrictions.

computer – i use a simple planet bike wireless deal as backup/extra data source with the gps. seems to be pretty close to what the gps reads. i also don’t have to flip back and forth on the gps pages for dist traveled, etc.

rain gear – i am also stubborn to put it on. as long as its above 40F, i don’t wear wool – save socks and gloves. i let myself get wet and dry. i have a pearl izumi windbreaker that is good for regulated body head and breathing. that and a long sleeve jersey are about perfect imo.

SA saddle – mine does the same thing. locktite has worked well for me.

4 04 2011
thelazyrando

@Alan – I need the turn by turn for night navigation or it would become very tedious to use the GPS.

I’ll keep an eye on my SA…hopefully it’s not working its way through the adjustment range.

5 04 2011
Lee

Hi Vik:

Nice job on both the report and the ride, especially in the face of such nasty weather.

Your experience is EXACTLY why I am not a fan of GPS when it comes to randonneuring. I am pretty old school in that regard and I just work off the cue sheets, although that can get difficult in conditions like you describe too. Or when it is pitch black and bucketing rain as you navigate back roads on the Island! One thing I do is virtually pre-ride the routes on Googel earth and I use street view at tricky bits. It has helped me on more than one ride.

It sounds like you are learning a lot of randonneuring lessons – we all go through them one way or another. I have learned way too many lessons the hard way, especially regarding clothing and eating on the bike. Man, you gotta chow down!

In regard to your saddle issues – have you looked at the Bethoud? Hard as a brick for about 2000 km, then comfort city! I like mine a lot now, but it was a tough break in period.

See you at Lake Cowichan on Saturday.

5 04 2011
thelazyrando

@Lee – well I’ve certainly learned not to trust my GPS 100%. However, so far the combo of letting the GPS run while reading the cue sheet seems to be working. You get a double check on everything so that when the GPS is working well the cue sheet can be read less intensively and when the GPS is off base the cue has your back! I think I can solve my GPS issues to get it close to 100%. I’m learning each ride what causes difficulty. On this ride it was programmed wrong…my fault as I didn’t do a turn by turn check with the cue sheet.

I’m definitely thinking about at the very least a back up saddle. I have a Brooks B17 narrow imperial coming in which I will start to break in on another bike. I’m considering getting the Berthoud as well and basically having a saddle battle – let the best saddle win!…=-) Ultimately I want at least two comfortable saddle choices available to me. I’ll keep going with the SA, but if I have a big ride coming up and it lets me down for good I want some broken in options.

I’m glad to be learning stuff. My goal will be to learn stuff once and then not make the same mistakes a second time…=-) Or at least not a 3rd and 4th time…=-)

See you in Chemanius!

5 04 2011
doug d

Thanks to your advice (two years ago?) I sent my SA in for a warranty re-skin. It is now working but I did have to put some locktite blue on the tension screw to keep it from de-tensioning itself.

7 04 2011
Raymond Parker

Glad to hear you liked my little route out to Kemp Lake, Vik. You certainly had the right bike for it–it should be advertised as 650b optimized.

I originally devised the (second iteration) of the Islander as an easy, relaxed end-of-season lark, but it seems to have served well as the opposite, albeit with weather usually expected in October. But then that’s randonneuring.

I’m not at all convinced that GPS serves much purpose on a brevet. I’ve heard too many stories like yours (two so far on VI this year) They seem a distraction. Focus should be on the route sheet first and foremost. Lose track of just a few cues and you can get way off route pretty quickly … as you discovered. Navigating is a major component of the “rando way.” :-)

A good watertight route sheet holder/map case is absolutely essential. I like a backup computer too. Here’s why.

7 04 2011
thelazyrando

@Raymond P – I’m learning quite a bit about navigation this year that my time with the AB Randos didn’t teach me due to the straight long runs on one highway in the prairies and the mountains.

I like the GPS + cue sheet combo so I’ll keep working on it. I’m learning how to best program my GPS and my bonus KMs on this ride were not GPS related.

I may take your tip and run two bike computers or at the very least copy down the instructions for mine so that I can reset the ODO to a specific value mid-ride should I do something foolish.

Your route was awesome fun and yes ideal for 650B – although I’m finding little desire for a narrower 700c tire even on long paved runs. Particularly at night in the rain 42mm of rubber makes fast downhills fun as opposed to tense.

I’ve got to say riding bikes on Vancouver Island is pretty great!

7 04 2011
Raymond Parker

You make a good point: big tires (like the Hetre) are not only fast and comfy; they allow one to relax on surfaces where narrower tires would require ultra vigilance. As you say, that can be a real boon in the dark when senses may be less than 100%.

The only downside is the tendency to relax a little too much as you float along, but that can be combatted by setting an alarm ….

9 04 2011
Jim Lay

Vik – I also have an etrex Vista HCx, and have used it for numerous century rides (although no brevets yet…) You can have a perfect route in MapSource, but the GPS unit can (arbitrarily?) reroute you. Breaking the ride into segments and using enough way points to pin the ride, plus previewing the ride IN THE ETREX against the published cue sheet (if available) is the only way I’ve found to make this work reliably. However, when you’re tired and cold, having the GPS working properly is very, very helpful, so generally worth the bother. No question this shouldn’t be necessary.

Jim

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