Ogre Ogling…

1 02 2012

Surly Ogre Complete...

I got a chance to check out a Surly Ogre at the Fairfield Bicycle Shop. Very nice. I had to keep my VISA card firmly in my wallet…=-)


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2 02 2012
Chris Emerson

For me, the only question remaining is: Ogre or Troll? It comes down to the minutiae. My other bikes are 26in, so for the sake of compatibility with the fleet: 1 point Troll. Also, I’d like to imagine that one day I might take the bike to some remote corner of the earth where they say 26in spares are easier to come by: 2 points Troll. 26 inch spares might also be easier to come by and cheaper in hard times: 3 points Troll. For bike rafting and travelling smaller wheels would be a bit easier to stow: 4 points Troll.

I want to try out a 29er for a lark: 10 points Ogre.

I imagine if you had to use a 26in wheel in the Ogre in a pinch it might still be reasonably ridable anyway. I wonder? Actually, wouldn’t that turn it into a bit of a randonneuring machine… low trail, low bottom bracket?! No, perhaps not, but it begs the question: how gracefully would a 29er transition into road mile eating monster with the addition of some 32c tyres? Would such a tyre swap give you the low bottom bracket stability and low trail front load biased handling characteristic touted as a good thing for randonneuring, without other funky side effects?

Or could I possibly just ride whatever, and whatever?

2 02 2012
Darin

The choice between a troll and ogre is a no-brainer for me. The ogre comes in a 24 inch size, and I’ve got a set of 700c marathon winters sitting in the garage with no place to go.

2 02 2012
Jolly

I am looking at one bike to be my woods, logging roads, adventure bike. Would you recommend the Ogre or the Pugsley? I usually ride by myself, am 56 years old and don’t ride high speed. Thanks.

2 02 2012
thelazyrando

Jolly they would both work.

The Pugsley would give you a more plush pseudo suspension ride and can explore sand, snow and mud in a way the Ogre can’t.

The Ogre takes normal bike parts and will be a bit lighter.

If I could only have one I would take the Pugsley myself.

Check out these photos to see what the Pugsley is capable of:

cg54
2 02 2012
Jolly

Yes, I’ve looked through yours and others photos/videos of the Pugsley and was leaning that way. Since I live in Port Townsend, I am surrounded by beaches which makes me lean even further in that direction. I use my Xtracycle for my all around bike here in town but I need something for a little more adventure a little further out. As for weight, I could lose 20 lbs and that would make the Pugsley fairly light and I am used to the Xtra with assorted crap in the freeloaders. Thanks for all your posts, it is very inspiring.

2 02 2012
alang

seems like if you were to ride rough roads that would warrant the tire volume of 2″+ tires, then racks, panniers, etc. wouldn’t be as ideal as framebags. i would opt for a karate monkey instead – lighter, same geometry, everything you need and nothing you don’t.

2 02 2012
thelazyrando

The KM complete is a single speed build vs. a 3×9 on the Ogre and the weight difference looks to be very small – less than 0.5lbs. I would rather have the extra brazeons and updated dropouts in case I wanted to use them down the road.

If you were going to use the bike as a straight up MTB only the KM’s lighter fork offers some benefits.

2 02 2012
thelazyrando

“I imagine if you had to use a 26in wheel in the Ogre in a pinch it might still be reasonably ridable anyway. I wonder? Actually, wouldn’t that turn it into a bit of a randonneuring machine… low trail, low bottom bracket?! No, perhaps not, but it begs the question: how gracefully would a 29er transition into road mile eating monster with the addition of some 32c tyres?”

I think 26 wheels on a 29er MTB are unlikely to give you a happy result as your pedals would be so low to the ground. You could put 32mm tires on an Ogre [assuming the rims are appropriately narrow] and I think your comfort/road going performance would only be limited by the stiffness of the frame/fork and aerodynamics/comfort of the flat bar. The Ogre’s long TT would preclude a drop bar, but you could use something like a Titec H-bar for some additional hand positions.

3 02 2012
Chris Emerson

I’m asking silly questions I know – I’m a little surprised you graced them with a response! It’s interesting what you said about top tube length and drop bars. This is just the sort of thing that goes through my mind when contemplating what the one bike to rule them all would be. The perfect balance between trail bike/randonneuring bike and Brompton/Bakfiets. I’m still stoked with the Big Dummy, but sometimes long for something a bit faster on the highway and can’t imagine it would be practical with a pack raft. Though having said that, I’ve been thinking if you are pack rafting with someone else on calm water you could lash the two rafts together in file using the frame of the Dummy to form a span between the rafts. You could stack the second bike on top of the Dummy. Might be a cluster though. Bike rafting is the coolest idea – I’m surprised you haven’t gone there yet given your love of bikes and water sports.

3 02 2012
thelazyrando

I’m not against pack rafting. I just don’t have a pack raft or know anyone who has a pack raft. So far in my travels I don’t recall being denied access to terrain I wanted to ride without a pack raft and I wouldn’t want to carry the extra weight/bulk unless it was essential.

As a watersports person I know how easy it is to get into trouble and drown. The way people pack raft with cargo & bikes looks dangerous to me and I’ll paddle a surfboard into a 10″ wave happily!

That’s not to say I wouldn’t do it. I just wouldn’t do it for a laugh. I’d need to feel like it was an essential element of the trip.

I wouldn’t raft up two boats unless you were on totally flat water. Doing so makes them completely unmaneuverable and if something happens to one both will be in trouble.

BTW – if I was going to pack raft I’d want to use my pack raft sans bike or gear a few times [with a life jacket] to get a handle on it well before I add more challenge to the mix.

3 02 2012
Philboyd

I bought an Ogre last week and I’m very happy with it; its much nicer than I expected. I have zero mountain biking experience, I ride an upright city commuter. I bought the Ogre to make 1-3 day rides off pavement carrying food and water; haven’t done it yet but it seems like I chose the right bike. Others I considered were LHT, Salsa Fargo, Rivendell Hunqapiler, and (ha) Tout Terrain Silkroad. I was pleasantly surprised that the Ogre came with mounts (2 on the fork and 1 on the downtube) for Salsa Anything Cage.

7 02 2012
Michael

Chris wrote:

“I imagine if you had to use a 26in wheel in the Ogre in a pinch it might still be reasonably ridable anyway.”

Vik replied:

“I think 26 wheels on a 29er MTB are unlikely to give you a happy result as your pedals would be so low to the ground.”

Both right. I put a set of 26″ wheels on my Peace 29er Multi (itself a pretty decent bike) because I needed studs for riding on lake ice and only have them in 26.

If I adjust my expectations, it’s downright blissful. I mean, I won’t be leaning very far into corners on the ice. Even on the street it’s pretty decent so long as you mind the possibility of pedal strike.

Clever Cycles was at one time going so far as to recommend 26″ wheels on Karate Monkey Xtracycles as a preferred setup.

8 02 2012
Chris Emerson

Vik, I agree, possibly doable in the right conditions, but probably not easygoing fun. Having said that, it seems that Surly does generally endorse engaging in water sports with the Big Dummy !

Michael, thanks heaps for the insight. I imagine those 26 ice tyres might have pretty big casings and big tread blocks which might help to increase the effective diameter of the smaller wheels.

8 02 2012
thelazyrando

@Chris – the beauty with being in a situation like that [say destroyed 29er wheels and only 26er replacements] is that if you have no choice it doesn’t hurt to try if the other option is carrying your bike…=-)

9 02 2012
Michael

Chris- they’re Nokian Freddie’s Revenz Lite 26×2.35, which measure out to something like 2.1 wide and are not a whole lot taller than say, a Motoraptor or Velociraptor. Not as tall as a Vredstien Black Panther 2.35.

Still, besides being careful in the turns, I wouldn’t want to try a bunch of log hopping with this setup…

21 03 2012
james

gotta jump on this one big time. so i googled Ogre size 24 and wound up here. and i see mention of Fairfield bikes- now, is there a massive Ogre 24 in that shop, cause if there is, i’m starting to tremble…

so my ‘dilemma’ (ah the dilemmas of those who have housing, food and liveable wages eh?). i’m rather fascinated by this bike, in that it just could do double duty as an almost proper road tour bike, drop bars and all, and it just could maybe be a serious backcountry mtn bike, with a sus fork, and see multi day trips in the Chilcotins. hmmm. there is ONE very important dimension that i cannot find anywhere, nor anyone to measure for me. the FRONT CENTER, on this bike. foot clearance for a fendered rig is paramount when you are as tall as i am with big feet. Surly is mum, how can i find out more about a 24″ Ogre!!! sigh…

21 03 2012
thelazyrando

Fairfield has an 18″ or 20″ Ogre in stock, but not a 24″. I could measure what they have in stock if that’s useful for you?

21 03 2012
james

well i guess i could just call them myself tomorrow. i was talking to a friend in Vic, guy who knows guys, and i’m like, do you know this Lazyrando guy, and he said i think he’s from Calgary, and i’m like, um, he seems to get into Fairfield cycling easily, so maybe he’s from Vic. so may i pry, who is the masked man, the Lazy Rando?

22 03 2012
Vik

@James – my name is Vik and I used to live in Calgary [~15yrs], but now I live in Victoria for the last 2yrs.

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