Lance vs. USADA…

16 06 2012

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15 responses

17 06 2012
Greg Weber (@onespeedgreg)

I wish i believed in his inocence, but I never have. The positive note is that he took his fame and money and used it for a good cause. Still.. its cheating. Feel free to disagree, most do.

17 06 2012
thelazyrando

There are some reporters who suggest that the cancer fundraising efforts have benefited Lance financially and in terms of PR which is why they were pursued. I mean you can’t call a cancer survivor who raises money for a good cause a cheater…;)

Since virtually every other key rider of his era has admitted or been caught doping it’s not a huge surprise that Lance was as well. He was just better at it.

17 06 2012
Greg Weber (@onespeedgreg)

You are either one step ahead of dope control, or caught.. I like the Europeans.. take their fine like a man, take the slap on the wrist and the suspension, and get on with life..

17 06 2012
thelazyrando

Agreed. Floyd was a huge embarrassment. Not the doping, but the lying and begging about his innocence just to years later admit he really did it.

17 06 2012
Greg Weber (@onespeedgreg)

I swear im not camping here for conversation.. Im from the US , and I think the whole Landis and Armstrong thing is so similar because here we have this sometimes extreme need for Heros in our society. That they must be infalliable. If you are chosen to be that hero, you can’t make mistakes, you can’t be wrong. So you go to whatever ends to make that happen. Of course it all crumbles when truth comes around. I think thats why the crash and burn is so hard for both the hero in question, and the US at large. He is still Americas boy for much of the country. Texans especially. I mean we beat the Euros at their game, not once ..but seven times.. To have that washed away is huge for American society.. As a country, we love these larger than life people. George Patton to George Washington to Neil Armsrtong..our culture is steeped in it. The hero’s journey. This is why its hard for Landis, Armstong, and who ever comes next to admit fault. Its part of our national psyche if you will. Maybe this is just my BA in Psych, trying to figure it all out.

17 06 2012
Randobarf

I don’t think there is cause for America to hold its head in anguish because cyclists are fortified. Lance was an employee doing his job. He is now doing an excellent job of defending his employers against accusations of doping in the sport. Professional cycling teams are not national teams. Lance is a product of the sport, not the representative of national standards in the USA. Lance is first and foremost a great cyclist who just happens to be from America. Professional cycling is trans-national and non-national at the same time. Professional cyclists represent their sponsors, the profession of cycling and their fellow team members, whichever nation they may have previously been residents of.

There is a long tradition of doping at the upper levels of professional cycling in Europe. It’s part of the sport. Americans may be shocked and appalled by the doping (and the lying) but I think Europeans are used to it and give it a nudge, nudge, wink, wink. I think Europeans are more likely to focus on the stunning successes of Lance and the stunning dedication to professional cycling that Lance represents. Europeans are also more likely to recognize that cycling is a team sport and Tour de France victories are as much the result of team efforts as individual efforts.

17 06 2012
Calvin

I believe the debate is past the stage of “did Lance cheat by taking drugs”. The questions now are: did Lance and the conspiracy bully riders into taking the drugs that Lance and the conspiracy were supplying? did Lance and the conspiracy bully those riders into a coverup about using the drugs?
FWIW I think Lance will be remembered for his part in bringing together a powerful team of advisors that integrated sophisticated and expensive doping techniques into training and racing at a degree that may never be seen again.

18 06 2012
Marc

I do not agree with Randobarf about non national aspect in this particular case.
Being not caught for so long means that Lance was protected, at least at the beginning, at high level of cyclist federation (remember that he was caught during his first Tour victory, but manage to exibit a medical prescription after test; even with this prescription, he should have been banned from current race because of non regular procedure; but he wasn’t).
At this time, professionnal cyclist was not well developped in the USA (or was developped outside UCI), and UCI saw America as an important market to conquer. Having a charismatic american rider win important UCI controlled races is a very good way to achieve this.
So, my opinion is that both parties had interest that Lance wins without being caught.

18 06 2012
Randobarf

I don’t think Lance is the leader of a conspiracy or a notorious bully. He is merely a participant in a run of the mill conspiracy of silence you might find in any workplace (and especially a professional sports workplace). The drugs do not originate from within the ranks of the cyclists. They originate from the team managers and team physicians, etc. Performance enhancing drugs existed in professional cycling long before Lance arrived on the scene.

If there is any difference between other professional cyclists and Lance it would be that Lance is the de facto poster boy for professional cycling because of his Tour de France wins. He has more of an obligation to lie on behalf of the sport that has made him such a success.

I am sure nothing has changed since Lance has left the scene. Sophisticated doping schemes will become more sophisticated even without the presence of Lance. Doping will carry on as usual.

18 06 2012
thelazyrando

I doubt we’ll ever learn the full extent of what went down in Lance’s camp. Even if he’s found guilty I suspect everyone will keep their mouths shut.

18 06 2012
Henrik Van Ryzin

I just saw Lance destroy the course record at the Honu Half Ironman in Kona 2 weeks ago, and I (even though I am a bit skeptical about Livestrong marketing and his past alleged drug use) I was blown away by his athleticism and how friendly and warm he was to his fellow athletes. There is a part of me that is really sad that I may never know how well he’d do at a full Ironman event.

18 06 2012
Randobarf

Strangely enough I was present at a criterium that Lance had entered when he was a triathlete. Nobody had heard of him but he was immediately surrounded by controversy because of his name. The general consensus was that “Lance Armstrong” could not be his real name and he must have made it up to be funny or to intimidate the other riders.

I don’t remember who won the race or even who else was riding.

19 06 2012
bikeboy999

I think that most people forget the fact that Lance is one of the first riders who only concentrated on one race. The greats (and had to get there greats) have a full year of cycling. I can not recall any classics that LA performed well in. He spent all his training for one race, he did not use other races to get there. Kind of like Cadel Evans this year, he was not involved in Giro d’ Italia. And if they do win, I want them to give Steve Bauer his third place when Pedro was fined 10minutes for cheating. And his Gold medal when Grewal was taking bronchodilators.

B

20 06 2012
goneclimb

bikeboy999,
Armstrong wasn’t the first, Indurain was never a classics rider and won five tours.

Hinault, was probably the last ‘great’ to win classics and five tours, and three Giro’s and 3 Vuelta’s.

For doping in general, regarding Ryder’s Giro win, I wasn’t sure to be happy that he won, or just plain sad, because there’s a good chance he’s been doping too.

29 06 2012

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