How many bikes do I have?

7 06 2010

Surly 1x1

Santa Cruz Nomad

Surly Pugsley

Bike Friday New World Tourist

Surly Big Dummy...

Bike Friday Tikit...

Surly Long Haul Trucker...

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32 responses

7 06 2010
Gerco

Nice collection!!

I am thinking of more and more excuses to build me a Pugsley…
Allmost there… :-)

P.S. I’ll post some pictures of my BD build on FB soon.

7 06 2010
Ty Smith

I thought you had more than one tikit?

7 06 2010
Pat McG

I’m the last person who should say anything about having too many bikes, but if you had to pare down the fold, where would you start? Even though you seem to be pruning already (sold your Thorn)! I’d like to hear your thoughts on where each bike “fits”.
Thanks for the great blog.

7 06 2010
thelazyrando

In theory I have a Season Tikit, but it’s a bit small from me and my buddy Kurt rides it daily so I’m not counting that in my fleet.

7 06 2010
thelazyrando

@ Pat – well I just downsized to this number by selling the Thorn…if I had to get rid of another right now it would have to be my Surly LHT or Bike Friday NWT since they are both similarly comparable touring bikes. Or I could ditch the Surly Pugsley since it isn’t really needed day to day…that would be a hard choice!

7 06 2010
Chandra

Way cool, mon ami! Way cool!!
Peace :)

8 06 2010
Foraker

No link to the Big Dummy porn — we been robbed!

8 06 2010
thelazyrando

Good catch…image linked!

9 06 2010
Foraker

Thanks! Now that your wrists are better, time for another trip up the Dempster?

9 06 2010
thelazyrando

To be honest the Dempster wasn’t that scenic compared to other dirt tours I’ve done. I’d most likely ride the CDN GDR again before I hit the Demposter.

http://thelazyrando.wordpress.com/tag/cdn-gdr/

9 06 2010
Joe

Nice stable, but your gonna need to add one more when the CETMA arrives. I still love your 1X1, and have thought about doing something along those lines with a 1×1 frame I have hanging in the closet.

My stable is at 7 built up, but countless vintage frames and what not, but only three of those get ridden regularly. My Cross Check (my Do-All townie commuter,) XC MTB, and the SS MTB. And two of these are the fiance’s townie and her tourer. But that’s all gonna change soon, as we have ordered two Mundo cargo bikes. After the cargo’s come in and we have a few test miles under them, the stable may thin out a little, maybe…

Very interesting you posted this, as Alan at Eco-Velo just did a post on the “desert island” bike, one bike to do it all. Very two interesting sides of view on a very similar topic.

9 06 2010
thelazyrando

@ Joe – yup I’ll add the CETMA come the summer!

If I had to pick one bike as the desert island bike it would be:

– Surly Big Dummy or Bike Friday Tikit

Which one would depend on my commute…if I needed a folding bike to get to work than the Tikit is the answer…if folding isn’t needed the BD is a very versatile rig for cargo and general purpose riding.

Congrats on the Yubas…the new Mundos look very sweet…Ken at Power in Motion has offered to lend me one for a test…I just haven’t had time!…=-(

10 06 2010
jmadams13

Getting a pair, mine in black, and hers in tangerine. Expect delivery next week, then its time to tear them down and make them our own. We went with the full builds, but I will replacing most of the drivetrain. For the price, the full build came with a few more accessories, and then some “spare” parts left over. Mine will get a i-Motion p5, and Aimee’s will get a Nexus 7, and if clearance allows 650b. As you can tell, I’m stoked!! Cant wait to see and hear more about your CETMA.

16 06 2010
kent

I could get by just fine with just my Bombadil (or an LHT if it came to that,) but who wants to do that? It’s always fun hearing about your collection and its evolution.

I am working on a Big Dummy build and I had a question for you. You have mentioned several times that you thought more highly of rim brakes than discs for most applications and in particular for loaded touring. However, your own Dummy has Avids. Would you be comfortable running a loaded Dummy with big cantis (say, Paul Neo-Retros?)

18 06 2010
thelazyrando

Ya I’m fine with rim brakes and I built my Dummy with discs cause I had them on hand. I’m using v-brakes on my CETMA cargo bike build this summer because I have a couple sets around spare. I don’t mind discs like Avids, but they aren’t really better than v-brakes – just different.

9 07 2010
Tim S

x+1=:)

18 07 2010
Pat McG

If you had to get rid of either the LHT or NWT, which one would go? What factors do you think would be most significant in your decision?

I guess I’m asking both about the relative qualities of the two platforms plus the specific components on the bikes.

Thanks,
Pat

18 07 2010
thelazyrando

@Pat – if I had to get rid of one bike today between the LHT and the NWT – it would be the LHT….simply because the LHT doesn’t fold and the NWT does virtually everything the LHT can do. Finally it’s easy to get a LHT if I ever want one again…I might try the 26″ wheeled version.

20 07 2010
Greg

Vik,

You seem to be a good authority when it comes to all things Surly, Rohloff, OMM, among others. So, if you would (and I thank you in advance if you do), here goes:

I plan on touring, off-road, upwards of two years on a Rohloff-equipped Surly 1×1. I’d like to go with the disc version and have the option of running either disc (Avid BB7s) or V brakes front and rear. Ideally, I would avoid the use of both front and rear racks to a-travel as lightly as possible and b-avoid rack-disc caliper issues. Alas, as you know, long distance touring requires large packing volume at times.

It looks like the OMM Red Rock may work with the disc hub with threaded spindles, no? If not, any other options/ideas/questions?

I’m doing my best but am on the road working this summer, don’t have my 1×1 with me and have no experience with Rohloff. Anything you can offer would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks again,
Greg

20 07 2010
thelazyrando

@ Greg:

A Surly 1×1 with Rohloff was what I started to build when I ended up with a fixed gear 1×1! It will be a cool bike…=-)

– go with OMM Cold Springs racks front and back. No problem with disc or v-brakes and my oldest one is ~9yrs old now with zero problem even dirt road touring. Surly racks are heavy, poorly designed IMO and ugly…OMM racks are the opposite!

– OMM Red Rocks won’t work with the disc brake…don’t try.

– keep your weight as low as possible…you’ll be glad you did on rough roads and in the mtns. You really don’t need half the stuff you think you do and whatever you do need buy when you need it then give it away when you are done with it.

– SJS Cycles is good about shipping Rohloff/bike parts internationally so use them as a back up. Don’t try to carry 2yrs of spares with you.

– I’ll say it again because it really is important…travel light…you don’t need much bike touring and they have “stuff” you need everywhere you go…they do! It’s much better to wear a funky sweater you bought in Nepal than pull a high tech one out of your panniers you carried for 9 months without using. You’ll also feel fine about ditching the sweater when you are back to warm places if it’s not uber expensive from home. Traveling light will solve sooooo many problems you can’t begin to list them all. It will also make your tour far far more enjoyable than having every possible spare part, bit of clothing and safety device known to man. I’ve tried both approaches and I’ll never go back to heavy touring loads.

– Generally speaking I’d prefer to tour with v-brakes as they are widely available. The benefits of discs are no rim wear, but if you can’t get replacement parts for your brakes that could be worse than having to track down a replacement 26″ MTB rim every 6 months. V-brakes will stop your bike plenty fast even in the mtns. My Surly LHT has v-brakes and has seen many thousands of miles of riding and the original rims are going strong.

– make sure you get at least 1000kms preferably 2000kms on your Rohloff before you leave on tour. There is a known issue that can affect ~1% of young Rohloffs and results in poor shifting…the solution is shipping your Rohloff back to the mothership for adjustments…not ideal in the first month of your tour….much less of a hassle at home.

– I’d recommend the Titec H-bar as a great option for multiple hand positions, incl and aero one for headwinds.

– I’d probably suggest Marathon Supreme [paved] and/or Marathon Extreme [dirt] depending on whether you plan to stick mostly to paved roads or not.

– get an uber comfy saddle [I like Brooks or Selle Anatomica]

– get some Ergon Grips

– beyond that Surly 1×1, Rohloff, OMM racks, light weight load, Schwalbe tires, v-brakes, comfy saddle, comfy bars and grips…sounds like a wicked machine!

20 07 2010
Greg

All great suggestions! Thanks!

I actually just sold a couple Surly racks on craigslist for the same reasons you mentioned. I’m wondering about the Cold Springs, though; it looks like they work with a quick release skewer. I’ll be getting the TS version from Rohloff for the horizontal drops and wonder if that OMM rear rack will attach to the braze-ons.

Traveling light is a main priority. I’ve toured with heavy loads before and don’t want to find out what that’s like off-road. I’m going with a combo of frame, handlebar and seatpost packs from Revelate and The Porcelain Rocket and hopefully no more than 2 panniers.

My first thoughts have been to run disc brakes up front and V-brakes in the rear, allowing me to better deal with wet, muddy, snowy conditions and still have the option to switch to Vs up front if/when the time comes. I haven’t come to a decision quite yet….

H-bar over the J-bar? I don’t have experience with either and was wondering which made sense.

When it comes together, wicked it will be!

20 07 2010
thelazyrando

@ Greg…

– sorry I missed the threaded axle Rohloff…Cold Springs will still work as long as you are running v-brakes in back, but in that case the Red Rocks rack will work so might as well use it.

– disc front/v-brakes rear will work, but now you are carrying spares for two systems. I guess it depends on your route and how you prioritize things.

– The frame/bar/seat bags are a good idea…if you can get away with just those that would rock. Maybe a front rack with a shelf [OMM Cold Spring] for strapping down some extra stuff you need to carry.

– I haven’t used a J bar so I can’t comment, but other than the slightly different rise and different clamp size they look identical…probably won’t matter which you use if you get them into the same position.

Enjoy your trip and send me photos…=-)

20 07 2010
Greg

Vik,

I’m still 10 months out but I’ll keep you on the email/blog list and post photos as the 1×1 mountain bike is transformed into a veritable off-road touring machine.

Do you have any strong opinions about off-road touring rims? You had an obvious solution with your Pugsley but is there anything else you’d recommend or steer clear of. I have a set of Salsa Gordos built up but would need a 32-spoke rear to match the 36-spoke front….

I’ll try and keep my barrage of questions at a minimum!

Thanks again!

21 07 2010
vik

@Greg…I don’t have specific rim recommendations. Given you are riding a light weight rig I wouldn’t worry too much about the rims…obviously not XC racing hoops, but they don’t need to be DH tanks…as long as you have a a well built wheel…I’d run 32H on both ends since they are really both undished and if 32H on the back is enough than 32H on the front is more than enough given the loads they experience.

As an example my Big Dummy’s front wheel is a 32H X717 – machine built, but tuned by a good mechanic….nothing special and it’s held up fine to fully loaded offroad touring and all my cargo biking…due to the frame length that front wheel sees 50% of the rider weight vs. 30% on a normal bike.

Feel free to ask anything you like…

21 07 2010
Pat McG

Vik,
Do you have a description anywhere (I looked at a couple of your old sites) of how your LHT is setup?

I sold my X-Stream, and I’m having LHT frameset built up. I always like to compare things (there are quite a few nice builds shown over at EcoVelo).

Pat

21 07 2010
vik

@ Pat….this is a good outline of my build:

http://www.bowcycle.com/bikes/blogs/viks-picks/2009/03/20/surly-long-haul-trucker-review/

You’ll love the LHT…awesome bike…why did you sell the X-stream?

21 07 2010
Pat McG

The X-stream was a bike that wants to be ridden fast. I’ve discovered that’s not how I roll… I find that when I ride (even outside of town) I make alot of stops. The X-stream is more suited for long and fast rides. Because of this, it was next on the list to go.

21 07 2010
Pat McG

Thanks for the link. I had forgotten you do reviews for Bow Cycle.

7 09 2010
Mike

Vik,
What’s the difference riding between LHT & NWT ? Do you have to padel harder when you ride the NWT up the hill & do you have to padel more to get the same speed as the LHT?

7 09 2010
thelazyrando

@Mike – if you gear them similarly and use the same quality of tires you don’t have to put more effort into pedaling the NWT. The NWT’s handling is a bit quicker unloaded, but with panniers it’s a similar level of stability to the LHT.

25 10 2010
Elise Giddings

Love the photo of the Pugsley w/ the monster truck. Is that one of those huge gravel pit mining trucks?

26 10 2010
thelazyrando

Yes it’s a mining truck…=-)

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