Stu’s Thorn Nomad Mk2

16 02 2010

Stu's Thorn Nomad Mk2

The new Thorn Nomad Mk2′s are starting to show up in the wild.  If you are a fan of such beasts Stu has posted some nice pics of his new build on Flickr here.


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16 02 2010
Chandra

That’s a beautiful bike! How much are these things? Are they more in the Co-Motion Pangea range? i.e., $5.0 – $5.5K?

Is this a custom bike? If so, what are the changes to the stock model made to this one?

Thanks.

Peace :)

16 02 2010
thelazyrando

No not a custom bike. It’s available from Thorn in the UK for $3K for the base model [inclding shipping].

http://www.sjscycles.com/thornpdf/ThornRavenNomadBroHiRes.pdf

17 02 2010
Chandra

Thanks, Vik. That price is very good for a complete Rohloff bike with shipping and all. I am reading up on it and it is an exciting bike!
Peace :)

19 02 2010
Paul

I have just received my Thorn Nomad mk2 – in tonka yellow. Went for a 30 mile spin today. It is solid and rides well. It will take time to get used to the Rolhoff, but even after just a short ride, I’m getting used to it. The new Schwalbe Marathon Dureem tyres work well both on the tarmac and on hard packed paths. I can’t wait for my first big tour. Photo of my bike here http://www.flickr.com/photos/41139219@N02/4365484227/

19 02 2010
Chandra

Hey Paul,
Are you located in Canada or in the US? If in the US, did you have to pay import taxes or anything like that? I have never done this and I could use some advise.
Thanks.
-Chandra…
314 255 6332

19 02 2010
Chandra

what was the turnaround time?

that’s a beautiful bike.
have a lotta fun.

peace :)

20 02 2010
thelazyrando

Turn around time for a frame that Thorn has in stock is 7 working days to Canada. Maybe add another 5 days if they have to build a bike.

The spring will be worse than the winter as they’ll be busier.

20 02 2010
Chandra

12 days ain’t bad for a build from scratch! thanks, vik!
peace :)

20 02 2010
thelazyrando

Perhaps I was too optimistic!

From the Thorn site:

“ALL CUSTOMERS; the closer we get to Easter and to the UK summer (July/August) the longer the lead times for all our bikes becomes. It can rise to over 8 weeks. Last year was our busiest ever year and we can see no reason why this year should be less busy. Although we may have every component in stock, to build your bike immediately, we know that we will not have sufficient mechanics to be able to do so. We operate a queue system. Please be sure to place an order as soon as possible, to avoid disappointment.”

20 02 2010
Chandra

if it takes longer, i will pretend that i am not disappointed :)

21 02 2010
StuWW

I ordered mine at the start of January and I picked her up about 10 days later.

Luckily I live 45 minutes from Thorn’s base in Bridgewater, UK.

She cost £2300 sterling.

Vik do you know if a ESGE PLETSCHER TWIN LEG PROP STAND would work OK on a heavily loaded Nomad?

Stu

21 02 2010
Vik

I haven’t tried an ESGE double legged kickstand with my Nomad. It would probably work, but I’d ask Thorn…I’m sure they’ve tried it.

I got a Click-stand for my Nomad….not as easy to setup, but it’s cheap, light and can be left at home when not needed. It’s also more stable than an ESGE.

For a utility bike I think a dedicated kickstand is a better idea…for a touring bike the Click-stand does the job.

http://www.click-stand.com/

21 02 2010
Chandra

I agree with Vik on the stability of the ESGE. When the bike is parked, if the handlebar turns to either side, it destabilizes the bike and causes the bike to fall. I hate it when that happens. One solution I have found is to tie the front wheel to the frame (down-tube) with a bungee. This seems to remedy the situation.

The ESGE is also a heavier stand.

I want to try this Click-Stand thingy and see how it performs!

Peace y’all :)

24 02 2010
sbseven

I’ve also got a click-stand for my tour. I think it works very well. The Max version will hold up a loaded touring bike.

I thought Thorn were a bit iffy about their frame warranty if you installed a kickstand (but I can’t remember where I read that). Anybody get more info on that?

24 02 2010
Vik

No bike company will honour a frame warranty for damage from a kickstand. However, I can’t see Thorn denying a warranty claim if your headtube welds fail just because you have a kickstand on the frame. As long as the damage is not related to the kickstand I’m sure you’ll be fine.

25 02 2010
Chandra

i don’t know if y’all have experience this as well, but getting a quote/response from thorn is quite hard. they must be really under-staffed. i might have to breakdown and make a phone call.

hmmm…

3 03 2010
Chandra

bummer…Thron wants GBP260 for shipping the bike to Texas.

3 03 2010
Vik

Keep in mind you get a refund of 17% of the UK price which is VAT….so a 2000 UK pound bike gets you 340 pounds of VAT refund essentially paying for shipping.

3 03 2010
Chandra

Good point, Vik!

I am so used to the free-shipping culture and hence the quest for free shipping. i have to remember that it has to travel a long way from England to get to me, here in Texas!

Peace :)

3 03 2010
Chandra

Vik,
What do you think of the following upgrades on the MK2:
1) the Tungsten Carbide coating on the Andra rims
2) upgrade to XTR brakes

Also, what kind of cases (for carrying the bike) are out there? I did Google it, but I am asking for your experience.

Thanks in advance :)

4 03 2010
StuWW

Hi Chandra

I didn’t go for the XTR brakes, purely for financial reasons! But the standard spec ones with the Tungsten Carbide coated Andra rims have formidable stopping power.

There is a bit of a squeal for the first week but then that goes.

The break blocks are also pricey, but I’ve read they last ages.

sbseven has XTR brakes on his Nomad, I’m sure he’ll give you the low down over at http://sbseven-shaun-canada-2010.blogspot.com/ but he’s also a regular at Vik’s blog so he may well reply to this.

Cheers

Stu

4 03 2010
sbseven

Well, they certainly work well, but I can’t compare them to any other V-Brake.

The XTR design is has a parallelogram arrangement which should keep the pads more constantly aligned to the rim, which should cut down maintenance, but as Stu says, they’re expensive. That’s 4 times as expensive as Deore.

I got them because I had a nice budget, more than any belief they were outstandingly better than anything else!

The Tungsten Carbide rims are a good upgrade, I think. Should last ages and they stay very clean in wet weather. No black brake paste at all.

Also, don’t you USA/Canada guys have to pay a bit of import duty on UK bikes?

Shaun

4 03 2010
Vik

Shaun….there is no duty on UK bike stuff coming into Canada….the same applies to the US I think, but of that I am not 100%.

4 03 2010
Chandra

thanks, stu, sbseven and vic.
i think i am going to get the Deore and not upgrade.

16 03 2010
Chandra

Folks,
Looks like my MK2 might be here in the next week to ten days (Thorn is shipping it out tomorrow). Thorn says it might get here in like 4 days, I will believe it when I see the bike.

Questions:
According to Thorn, the bike will need to be “put together”, at least the S&S and the fork and handlebar.

I have never done this sorta thing before.

How hard is this?
How hard is it to couple the bike if the S&S are uncoupled?

Anything thing I should watch out for?

Please share your thoughts with me.

Thanks.

Peace :)
-Chandra…

17 03 2010
sbseven

What needs doing will depend on how small a box they’ve decided to put your bike in! Nothing should be too difficult, though.

You’ll probably need to know how to fit/adjust the handlebars & stem onto the forks. This video explains it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgAiElcaVjs

For the S&S couplings, I just lay the bike on its side and marry-up the two halves. You should get a metal multi-tool with the bike. This has the special S&S wrench on it and should be used to tighten up the couplings. Note that the S&S manufacturer recommends a special grease for the couplings, though I’d expect the couplings to arrive suitably greased up. See http://www.sandsmachine.com/grease_t.htm

Enjoy your new bike!
Shaun

18 03 2010
Chandra

Thanks, Shaun!

24 03 2010
Chandra

Hooray, the bike arrived today! Record time to deliver the bike, holy spokes!

Having never installed a “modern day bicycle”, I am working through it. Will post pics soon on my blog.

Questions on two things:
1. Rohloff connections: I simply attached the cable box and hand-tightened the thumbscrew. Anything else? I made sure it shifter was in gear 14.

2. I got the dynamo hub. Is there a special way to connect the cables to the dynamo/rear-light?

There are bunch of manuals that came with the bike, which I will read tonight.

Any suggestion/tip/precaution is greatly appreciated.

Can’t wait to ride this bike tomorrow :)

Thanks in advance!

Peace :)

25 03 2010
Chandra

Hi all,
The bike has been put together and the pics are on my blog: http://greencomotion.blogspot.com/2010/03/thorn-in-mail-is-better-than-thorn-in.html

I can’t get the Rohloff to shift to a gear below 4. I am not sure if I am doing something wrong. I made sure the shifter is on 14, when I connected the cable box.

Any suggestions?

Thanks and I appreciate your guys’ help!

Peace :)
-Chandra…

25 03 2010
vik

Chandra….I’d triple check the hub is all the way to 14 – use an 8mm wrench….before you hook up the shift box. If that’s the case then you may want to open the shift box and make sure there are no issues with the cable wrapping inside.

Then I’d shift the Rohloff all the way through 14 gears with an 8mm wrench. If that’s cool then my next guess would be the shift cable was cut the wrong length so I’d remove all the cables and reinstall them using fresh cables and carefully measuring as described in the Rohloff manual.

25 03 2010
Chandra

Vik,
Thanks for the quick response. I did read the Rohloff manual after I saw your comment, just to make sure I know which part is called what. After all, the old adage RTDM (a simple variation of RTFM, Read The Damn Manual) and your precise directions proved to be helpful.

This took care of the problem.

Now, I have all 14 gears I paid for.
Thanks a bunch!

Peace :)

1 05 2010
Robert

Hi,

Nice MK2. Mine is in the mail, and I should be riding it shortly.

Wanted to ask a question about travel cases. I see there is one on the S & S site for $430 USD, but that seems a lot to me. Has anyone worked out a cheaper solution?

Cheers,

Rob

2 05 2010
Chandra

Hi Rob,
I have not yet figured out how to pack the MK2 in any box. I saw the information on the S&S page and I was wondering about that as well. May be someone here has done it, may be Vik knows?

I will definitely share anything I learn.

Peace :)

3 05 2010
StuWW

I’ll be boxing my Mk2 (pictured above) this week, for it’s flight from the UK to the start of the Trans Am in Yorktown VA.

Mine is the none S&S variety so I’ve got two big bike boxes from the local cycle shop and lots of tape, strapping and plumbers insulation foam tube!

I think it’s going to be a bit more tricky to pack than an S&S!!

If anyone wants a look at a Thorn Nomad Mk2 and is near the Trans Am route, I’ll be heading this way and up to Vancouver over the next 4 months.

Contact me via my blog.

http://www.midlifecyclist.me.uk

Hope you sort your boxing out Chandra.

Cheers

Stu

3 05 2010
thelazyrando

“Wanted to ask a question about travel cases. I see there is one on the S & S site for $430 USD, but that seems a lot to me. Has anyone worked out a cheaper solution?”

You can buy any hardshell suitcase that fits your bike. I don’t have the req’d dimensions, but I would assume Thorn would be able to provide them to you.

27 07 2010
Terry Smith

Vik – I see you sold your Thorn Nomad. Any problems with it? I’ve been looking at those, but am concerned about the use of set screws as a means to tighten the EBB.

27 07 2010
thelazyrando

@Terry. No problem with the EBB mechanism. If you follow the instructions you should get many years of use out of it. Thorn also sells replacements at a reasonable cost if you do have an issue. Best advice I can give is to read the interactions carefully and adjust infrequently.

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