Congrats Gary!

22 01 2010

Gary's Surly Pugsley in the making...

Gary, a blog reader and a member of the Surly Pugsley Google Group, is about to become the proud owner of this new Pugsley NC Cyclery [photos above/below belong to them] built for him.  Excellent choice of a Shimano Alfine IGH and I’m liking the new Pugsley frame colour.

The finished product...

Enjoy the new ride Gary!…=-)


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22 01 2010
Dylster

Ohio boy makes good. Thumbs up on the build, Gary! Just a wee bit jealous, as I’m waiting for my frame/fork to get finished…

22 01 2010
alan

looks better than i imagined. and i imagined it looked great! Gary is going to be a very happy man. this reminds me to update my build thread on the pug google group.

22 01 2010
Mike

How did he get a set of Larry’s already?

22 01 2010
alan

there has been a couple small shipments to satisfy a huge demand. a few mtbr folks have them. a fellow mtbr member hooked me up with one. there is supposed to be more coming, but i haven’t heard a definite date.

22 01 2010
Dylster

I think the same dude that hooked up Alan (with the Larry) did the same for me: he had a few extras, and I was lucky enough to be on the Interwebs when he mentioned it.

25 01 2010
alan

This is the best bike ever.
Prices, here in Edmonton Alberta are from $2200.
Sounds high. Any comments?
Cheers,
alan

25 01 2010
thelazyrando

Alan,

$2200cdn is actually a reasonably good deal [depending on specific parts used]…quite a few of the parts needed are on the expensive side so it’s hard to get a low cost Pugsley on the road. Having said that I’d happily pay $3K for one….so much fun and actually quite practical for so much more than just snow/sand biking.

26 01 2010
Scott Gamble

Nice find, thanks for the repost. Just picked up my frame last week. Going to be a long slow build for me. It’s going into the powder coaters next week. The green is fine, it just doesn’t leave a lot in the way of individualizing IMO.

There’s talk/concern that he’s got Larry’s front and back and how it might cause a problem. He’s running internally geared so the chainline isn’t going to move, and I think that’s where the concern lies. If they could chain it up without hitting the tire (and they obviously did) then he’ll probably be good to go.

I’d be interested to hear about dudes experience with an internally geared 8sp drivetrain like that. Guess I don’t really know the gear range it spans, but at $250~ per, it comes in cheaper than a standard drivetrain w/derailleurs and cassette and whatnot, so there’s real appeal there.

26 01 2010
thelazyrando

The issue with the Larry’s is to my mind if they make a better front directional tire with an Endomorph on the back to drive the bike? You won’t have any issue with the chain clearing either tire regardless of using an IGH or a 3×8 drivetrain.

I’ve got one Alfine and 2 Nexus 8 IGHs on the go. Great hubs…here is a link to the gear ratios for these hubs [they are both the same]:

http://thelazyrando.wordpress.com/2009/01/13/seasons-tikit-gearing/

Here are some posts about a Pugsley w/ Alfine being abused on a dirt road mountain tour:

http://thelazyrando.wordpress.com/?s=cdn+gdr

26 01 2010
alan

i bothered Surly a while back for some more info on the Larry and new Endo and this is what they said:

“Alan-

Here’s The Skinny on the Fats:

The goal was to improve performance and durability while keeping weight and price similar.
Both the Endomorph (due in mid-Dec) and the Larry (due in mid-Future) will feature 120tpi casings.
This will allow them to be more supple at the tread for better floatation- and potentially provide less snow buildup, depending on conditions.
But we had to make a better-handling tire, one with a stiffer sidewall. So the overall amount of rubber there was increased and an anti-abrasion strip was added to the sidewall to make it more durable. Hopefully this will increase the tire’s lifespan significantly, though it’s still mostly dependent on the rider.
Larry will have a rounder profile, which will naturally help with front-end handling, and its consistent knobs will get a bit more bite even if used in the rear. I’m very excited about this.
Let me know if you have other questions, and good luck!
Aaron”

i think a lot of people are thinking you can’t run it in the rear. but you can. i would if i lived in a snowier climate (and could score another larry).

26 01 2010
thelazyrando

I don’t think there is any question you can run a Larry in the rear. Just like you can run Endos front and back. The question is what is the best performing combo? I’m quite happy with the Endos other than a directional control of the front wheel in soft conditions. So I’ll eventually get a Larry on the front and use up my Endos on the rear. I haven’t had any problems with the Endos on the back so I’m not likely to put a Larry on the rear.

26 01 2010
Scott Gamble

Vik I’m with you. Given there’s no chainline issue (I didn’t really think there was) I’m sure the Larry would be a fine tire back there. Just not fine enough to ditch an Endomorph for since the benefits of a Larry on the rear are less tangible.

I guess the rule of thumb is, if you’re going to build from scratch, do both Larrys. But if you’re upgrading and already have an Endomorph, just do the front tire. No need to walk away from previous investment.

I’ll probably do both Larrys. Probably. We’ll see. I’m definitely doing the Big Sheba rims instead of the Large Marges. I hear good things about them. Drivetrain is still up in the air though. A couple of the guys in my club with have Rohloffs and Alfine’s on their Pugs (you had a conversation with Lee/Lantius on Flickr about it I believe I saw).

Process will probably get documented on my blog http://sweetbike.org. Everything else bikey I do ends up there so it’s safe to assume this build will too. Stay tuned!

26 01 2010
thelazyrando

I’m not yet sold on the idea of Larry’s front and back. If the Larry was clearly better than the Endo in all cases why bother sell the Endo at all? In that case Surly would just replace the Endo with the Larry.

The Surly site says: “….Larry is a great front tire to Endomorph’s rear, and a good all around tire for your Pugsley…”

We won’t know the pros and cons of a Larry vs. and Endo on the rear until lots of folks who have owned both have a chance to weigh in.

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